Another Myth Busted…

lord-tweedmouth

There has been a rumor going around that Dudley Coutts Marjoribanks was not Lord Tweedmouth but rather Baron Tweedmouth.

Well, the fact is that he was both and referred to as both.

He was a part of the House of Lords in parliament (Lord) and he was a land owner (baron.)

People get confused when someone who owns a great amount of land is referred to as Baron. They think of that as a title like Lord but is just referring to the land owned.

My great grandfather was a baron but he was not part of royalty or any praliament. He simply owned quite a bit of land.

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5 Responses to Another Myth Busted…

  1. M.R.S. says:

    Dudley Coutts ‘ formal title (as of 1881) was Baron Tweedmouth of Eddington. He would be addressed as “My Lord”, and generally referred to as Lord Tweedmouth. “Earl” is a rank higher than baron, and is also referred to as Lord Such-and-such. “Lord” indicates a member of the peerage, which is a rank below royalty but above that of the gentry.

    You can see by the listings above that the one calves in 1879 was owned by “Sir” Dudley, and the one of 1884 by “Lord Tweedmouth”. Both are correct, and refer to the same person. before 1881 he would be referred to as Sir Dudley Marjoribanks, having not yet taken the higher title. (Coutts Marjoribanks is his older son, then at the Horseshoe Ranch in North Dakota).

  2. Jan says:

    If you look at the photo there you can see his name was written Lord Tweedmouth during his lifetime. Baron is a much different type of title (meaning land owner) than Lord and he was part of parliament so there was a time when he truly was a Lord. However he was also a Baron. I stand by that and there is proof in the above photocopy from a book from when he was alive.

    • M.R.S. says:

      Yes, he was Lord Tweedmouth from 1881 to 1894, when he died and the title went to his oldest son, Edward. DCM was created a baron, the lowest rank of nobility, by letters patent from Queen Victoria, which entitled him to be called Lord Tweedmouth. Baron is a formal title, derived from an older meaning relating to land ownership and fealty to the king. Before 1881, he would have been Sir Dudley Marjoribanks.

      The British system of titles is quite complex, and has undergone numerous changes over the centuries. Hereditary titles are no longer given, for instance.

      Earlier I mentioned Coutts Marjoribanks as the “older son”; actually he was the second oldest surviving son. Edward was the oldest surviving, and inherited the title. Archibald John was the youngest. Stuart was the first-born, but died of scarlet fever at about 12 years of age. Mary (called Polly) and Ishbel were the daughters.

      • Jan says:

        The point that I was making was that it is not incorrect to refer to him as “Lord” Tweedmouth. He was for a time a part of the house of Lords. When you mention “Sir,” that is a whole other title that requires being knighted. I was unaware that he was knighted but would not be surprised to learn that. Whereas “Baron” is a title that one can assume when they own great land , “Sir” has to be bestowed.

      • Jan says:

        The MOST correct thing to call him of course would be Dudley Coutts Marjoribanks. However, the title Lord is for life. It isn’t like one serves in parliament and when their job is done so is their title. It is a life long title.

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